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The Hoagies and Stogies debate — held in Lakeside, CA. Gene Cook, pastor of Covenant Baptist Church and host of The Narrow Mind webcast, will argue Amillennialism. Tom McManus, elder of Bayview OPC and principal of Covenant Christian School, will argue Postmillennialism.
FIDE-O picks GENE COOK to be the winner of this debate.
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Jason Robertson is a husband and a father and a pastor. He is dedicated to leading and equipping his the Church with God’s word and biblical theology for life ministry, using a combination of pastoral, church planting and evangelism experience. He holds a Master of Divinity from New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary. He is experienced in church planting, evangelism, missions, and the training of pastors and Bible teachers.
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Jason it would be nice to know if Tom McManus is going to be defending traditional Postmillennialism or Theonomic Postmillennialism.
Do you guys ever just start chuckling about all the labels?
Yes, David, and the labels seem to be getting more and more useless. Is it a good thing? Well, it may be good that as we study more we all are moving closer to the truth. Or maybe we are all getting more confused. Due to my understanding of the Christian’s ability to know the truth, I believe that the true Church is constantly growing stronger and coming to a more clear understanding of the unsearchable riches of God’s Word.
Actually I like the labels. I know there are some who feel labels are somehow damaging and others take great pride in “not adhering to any one mans theology” because “I am a biblicist” but the labels matter.
For one if you don’t have a systematic theology then you will be inconsistent at best. Your system usually drives your label. Another good reason for labels is that I knew what a man like Tom McManus believed because he wore the label “tradition post-millennial” That saved about 40 hours of conversation that was not really necessary. I didn’t have that much time on Saturday.
I’m speaking as a commenter from outside the Southern Baptist box. I agree that labels are helpful. I’m just saying that the sub- and sub-sub- labels of the major categories get me giggly. Jesus said in Luke 6:3-5, “It’s entirely possible that you’re being pickier than God.” (my paraphrase)
“Southern Baptist box”????
Is a labeling worse than putting someone in a box?
Touche.
I meant “compound.”
david, Tom McManus is an elder of an OPC church. That itself is pretty far “outside the Southern Baptist box.”
Is a labeling worse than putting someone in a box?
It depends on the box. For instance, mine has a hamster wheel and all the kibble I can eat!!! Whee!!
Uhm… seriously though, labels don’t make decisions for us, they let us make decisions. Like, “does this difference matter?” True, there are people who wouldn’t let there kid spend the night at an Arminian friend’s house and sleep in their Arminian hide-a-bed (in my house, we only dream dreams that were laid down before the foundation of time) and eat their Arminian breakfast (the meal isn’t planned, just sort of thrown together at the last minute), etc, but it’s kind of stupid to blame the labels because that guy’s such a nut (If that makes any sense).
Heh, now I’m thinking about writing a little two act comedy, “The Arminian Cafe”
Anyway, thanks for posting this.
Good stuff.
Charles Churchill
http://thepreacher.cac2.net
The funny thing is that we are pretty far outside the Southern Baptist box.