Click here to listen to Dr. Jay E. Adams talk about his views of eschatology and the Book of Revelation on Gene Cook’s Narrow Mind program. Dr. Adams explains the difference between preterist and what he calls the “unorthodox-preterist.” He and Gene Cook also talk their way through the Book of Revelation from the perspective of Amillenialism. Dr. Adams has written many books and is credited for the formation of The Institute of Nouthetic Counseling.
I really like Dr. Adam’s term “Realized Millenialist” which best describes my eschatological position. I do believe in a millennial reign of Christ, and that it is now being realized in the church and will be completely realized when Christ returns.
My view of the future is more optimistic than most pre-millenarians who are expecting a “Left Behind” type of Armageddon and world war about Christ. My view of the future is also less political than many post-millenarians who are still looking towards a future political reign of Christ rather than finding contentment with his present spiritual reign. My eschatology is thus optimistic, spiritual, and Christ-centered. Furthermore, it seamlessly flows biblically and theologically from my soteriology and ecclesiology.
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And I suppose Jesus came back before 70 Ad also……riiiiiiiighhttttt
Brian, why do you ask?
Brian, you know what happens when you suppose?
If you don’t understand something just ask a question.
Thomas, I refer you to Job 2:10a.
And I suppose Jesus came back before 70 Ad
…usually comes from people who have heard criticism (poisoning the well) about the preterist position, instead of from someone who has actually read what preterists believe.
BTW, I’m Amill, and probably would be considered a preterist because I believe that Daniel’s 70 weeks have already taken place. However, I disagree with most preterists on Matthew 24. To phrase the above question better, do you guys believe Jesus came ‘in judgement’ in 70ad, as some believe from Matt 24:29-31? Just curious if you guys would like to open that can of worms.
Nice try Jason. IMHO (with an AMEN from Stacy sitting here with me), Jay should stick to counseling and sanctification issues.
For what it’s worth, Stacy sends a coded message to you. “Fear Bama.” Perhaps this is some veiled eschatological message. I don’t know. Why is laughing uncontrollably? I still don’t know.
Bret,
I think all counseling and sanctification issues should be based upon the whole council of Scripture. For example, my eschatalogical views keep me from being antinomian and thereby rejecting the counseling of the Torah and the Proverbs, but also it keeps me from placing the morality of the Sermon on the Mount into the realm of some “future kingdom” rather than in current Christian living. I’m sure you would agree.
So I would hope that more counselors would be theologians first and counselors second.
And, BTW, ask Stacy why he couldn’t say “Fear Ol Miss”?
Job 2:10 He replied, “You are talking like a foolish woman. Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?”
In all this, Job did not sin in what he said.
So this is your foundation for amillenialism? Wow I guess we better throw away our scofield reference Bibles. No more John Macarthur Study Bible for me!
The truth is Jesus hasen’t returned, yet. During the rapture the saints go to be with Jesus. During the end of the great tribulation the saints come back with Jesus. During the rapture the saints are taken from the earth. During the end of the Great tribulation the saints remain on earth. See!
Thomas,
The Amil position does not assert that Jesus has returned already. You are thinking of hyper-preterist (or un-orthodox preterist as Adams calls them). Preterism (or Partial Preterism as some call it) asserts that the Trib happened in 70 AD and completely destroyed all remaining vestiges of the Old Covenant – namely the Temple. One can be Preterist and either Postmil or Amil. The Amil position is one that asserts that Christ is the Son of David, currently ruling and reigning as King of kings upon the Throne in fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant. And one day he shall return, judge all, and establish the new earth and heaven.
I hope that clears things up for you Thomas. I have deleted so many of your ridiculous comments because you just do not seem to want to engage in a conversation. But worse you do not even seem to understand the issues of the conversation. So either this information will help or will need to continue to delete your comments for the sake of our regular readers.
Thomas, the Job reference was not about amill, but about your comment that amills believe Jesus has already returned. Therefore, like Jobs wife, you speak as the foolish women. Considering your response I would say you proved my point.
How many people go to your church?
In premillenialism it’s said the 70th week isn’t fulfilled. The 70th week is the great tribulation. At the end of the 70th week Jesus Christ returns and cast all the non-Christians off the earth. Only the Christians will be left on the earth for the 1000 year millenium.
Amillenialism says the 70th week was fulfilled in 70 A.D. That is a theological blunder. Jesus hasen’t cast off everyone who was non-Christian at 70 A.D. Jesus isn’t sitting on a throne in Jerusalem right now as we speak.
Amillenialism is more assumption the sound Biblical teaching.
Thomas, as I thought, you misunderstand the Amil position. I encourage you to read the Amil posts located on our sidebar.
Basically, your misunderstanding arises from the fact that you think the difference between the Premil and Amil positions are merely a time-frame issue. But, friend, it is vastly more than that.
But out of respect for our readership lets not re-write it all here.
It seems that if Amillenialsim is wrong on the time frame the entire thing is wrong.
How could the event of 70 A.D. be the 70th week if Jesus diden’t come back with the saints and cast all the unbelievers off the earth?
Why isn’t Jesus sitting on the throne in Jerusalem right now as we speak if Amillenialism is true?
Amillenialism seems to be based more on tradition than on sound heremenutics.
Thomas, I see you telling us we are wrong, but I don’t see you proving it. You have mentioned 4 times now that Amillennialism is based on tradition and not sound hermeneutics, but have given no proof, and your issue with time frame proves you don’t understand Amillennial theology. However, I do appreciate you actually commenting on the post itself. That is a nice change of pace.
Amillenialism is based on assumption that God’s word is to be translated allegorically. No where does the Bible give a free ticket to translate scripture according to our own understanding.
Jeremiah 33:12 “This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘In this place, desolate and without men or animals—in all its towns there will again be pastures for shepherds to rest their flocks. 13 In the towns of the hill country, of the western foothills and of the Negev, in the territory of Benjamin, in the villages around Jerusalem and in the towns of Judah, flocks will again pass under the hand of the one who counts them,’ says the LORD.
Note, it says -
‘In this place, desolate and without men or animals—in all its towns there will again be pastures for shepherds to rest their flocks.’
2 Kings 25:11 11 Nebuzaradan the commander of the guard carried into exile the people who remained in the city, along with the rest of the populace and those who had gone over to the king of Babylon. 12 But the commander left behind some of the poorest people of the land to work the vineyards and fields.
Note, people were left in the land after the Babylonian conquest. So, Jeremiah 33:12 coulden’t have been refering to this time period.
2 Kings 17: 27 Then the king of Assyria gave this order: “Have one of the priests you took captive from Samaria go back to live there and teach the people what the god of the land requires.” 28 So one of the priests who had been exiled from Samaria came to live in Bethel and taught them how to worship the LORD.
Note, even the Assyrians diden’t remove all the people from Israel. In fact, they kept Israelites in the land of Israel. So, Jeremiah 33:12 coulden’t be refering to this time period either.
The only time the land has been completely without Jews was from around 70 A.D. to 1948 A.D. Jeremiah 33:12 must be refering to the 1948+ time period.
I guess this puts a dent in Amillenialism, if you want to be reasonable.
thomas4881,
You state that there were no jews in the land from 70 AD to 1948 AD.
Please tell me you are not that ignorant of history. Eusebius tells us the final jewish revolt was not until Hadarians 18th year of his reign as Roman Emperor. That is in the 2nd century.
In the historical book, warriors of Christdom, the sack of Jerusalem in 11th century, the european army slaughtered muslims, orthodox christians and JEWS.
The Jew began the movement for a homeland in the 19th century. Jews did not suddenly appear at Jerusalem in 1948.
So, that passage from Jeremiah, out of context by the way, doesnot help your position.
I am not amil by the way. But I find the premil position the least scriptured based end times position.
Mark – Explain how it is out of context?
Mark – Read Mark Twain’s trip to Israel. During the ottoman empire the land of Israel became a complete waste land. I meant that sometime between 70A.D. to 1948 A.D. the land must have been completely desolate. There is proof it was according to Mark Twains accounts of Israel.
Thomas I am going to respond to you against my better judgment.
First, the biblical pattern for the restoration of the nation of Israel is that Israel was sent into bondage after gross sin, repented, and God restored the nation. This did not happen in 1948. The current Israel is not the OT nation of Israel, but a geo-political nation set up by secular unrepentant Jews who to this day hate God.
Second, who is Israel? Romans 9 states For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring. So exactly what was restored in 1948.
The point is that the New Covenant, which is a better Covenant, is given to Israel, but Israel is not just Jews, but the elect. Galatians 4:28 bears this out when Paul calls the Gentiles the “children of promise”. Really? Gentiles are the children of promise? I thought that Jews where the children of promise? No Israel, the elect, are the children of promise.
So Thomas, I would put down the newspaper and just deal with scripture. The Old Covenant was abolished once and for all in 70 AD.
scott the Biblical patter as shown by Ezekiel is that God will bring back the Jews to Israel then put in them a new heart.
Ezekiel 11: 17 “Therefore say: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will gather you from the nations and bring you back from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you back the land of Israel again.’
18 “They will return to it and remove all its vile images and detestable idols. 19 I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh. 20 Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God.
Note, the Jews are first brought back to the land before repentance.
Romans 9 refers to the Jews, not the gentiles. Paul follows up well on this issue in Romans 11 -
Romans 11: 25For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery–so that you will not be wise in your own estimation–that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
26and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
“THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.”
27″THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS.”
28From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;
29for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
Note, don’t be wise in your own estimation. Israel isn’t the same as the Church. That is like trying to argue men and women can be an overseer because all are all in Christ(Galatians 3:28), which of course is bad heremenutics.
Romans 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.
Note, though Jews and Gentiles can both be the Elect that doesen’t mean God doesen’t have different roles for them. God says first to the jew then to the gentile. It’s similar to men and women. Man is head of the woman and God is head of the man. That doesen’t make man better than woman. It means men aren’t the same as women. In the same way the church isn’t the same as Israel.
Scott I think you can be reasonable, if you want to.
Thomas, my Jewish friends who are Christian by faith find it disturbing that you do not believe they are part of the church. But then again, you also believe that current day Israel is the same as the Israel in the Bible, so what do you know about Jews anyway.
Thomas, your hermeneutic and exegesis is so inconsistent there is really no place to start responding. So, it will be sufficient to say that you are fully dispensational and we are not. We still think you are Christian and usable by God, but until you study what Covenant Theology actually teaches (and by that I mean study from an actual Covenant Theologian rather than from a Dispy who is telling you his spin on CT) the this discussion will just go nowhere. Therefore, soon I will close the comments if noone has anything to say that is germane to Gene’s interview.
Jason your jewish friends share the same position in Christ as any gentile Chrisitan as shown in Galatians 3:28. That doesen’t mean God treated them the same. It’s doesen’t mean Galatians 3:28 applys to men and women’s roles. It’s not a pass for women to be overseers in the Church. In the same way Israel has a role to fulfill and the Church has a role to fulfill. To say Israel and the Church is the same is no different than saying men and women have the same roles.
There’s nothing inconsistent. What’s inconsistent is you reading your presumptions and assumptions into what I’m showing. You should be asking questions.
You were adressing the persons “position” in Christ. I was talking about a person’s Role.
I know it got sidetracked, but the interview with Jay Adams is really good.
Thomas, let me ask you some questions then: PLEASE answer in the numbered order so that the debate may be clearly followed.
1.What is Israel’s role?
2.In what way is that role the same or different than the role of the Church?
3.When did that role begin?
4.When will it end?
5.Who fulfilled that role prior to Jacob? Prior to Abraham?
6.In what way is my role as a Gentile and my Christian Jewish friend’s role different in God’s redemptive plan?
7.Is current day Israel the same as Israel of Scripture?
8.Is Israel’s establishment in 1948 part of Biblical prophecy?
9.What is the purpose of the future millennium?
10.How is that purpose different or similar to the purpose of the church?
11.Is that Kingdom Jewish or Gentile?
12.How is that reign of Christ different from His reign today?
13.Why did Peter claim that the resurrection of Jesus was the fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant in Acts 2:31?
14. Jesus is revealed as the ultimate fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant in New Testament passages such as Luke 1:31-33; Acts 2:30-34; Acts 5:31-42; Romans 1:3; Hebrews 1:5. Since these passages the NT writers believed that Jesus is the Son of David, the fulfillment of the David Covenant, and that Jesus currently sits on the eternal throne of David over the everlasting kingdom then why do you not believe it?
15.The Solomonic Temple was the immediate fulfillment of the Covenant God made with David (1 Kings 6:14). Furthermore, Jesus declared himself to be the true Solomonic Temple (John 2:19-22).
Thus all who are “in Christ” by faith are part of the “Body of Christ” – The Solomonic Temple. What part of this do you deny?
16. Peter, whose name reminded him of these spiritual truths, explains in 1 Peter 2:5 that all believers are “living stones” who make up the Solomonic Temple. Do you not agree?
17. The issue of all the covenants being fulfilled in Christ is found through out the New Testament. For example, Galatians 3:29 declares that all believers are “in Christ” and are thus Abraham’s seed and heirs of the covenant promises as was Isaac (Galatians 4:28). Paul asked the Corinthians if they realized that they are the Temple of God (1 Corinthians 6:19), which is thus a clear theological concept based on the Davidic Covenant. Do you deny this and believe that God’s desire is to rebuild a temple of stone and reestablish that which was typological?
18. The promise was not that David would reign for a long time, but that he would reign forever. That very fact lead the prophets of the Old Testament to see that this Davidic promise would only be fulfilled in the Messiah, and that is of course exactly how the New Testament interprets it. This reign is ultimately only fulfilled in the reign of the son of David, Jesus Christ and His eternal messianic rule. Christ bore our iniquity and suffered the rod and stripes of men but was resurrected and exalted by God as was promised to David’s heir in 2 Samuel 7:14. Christ was exalted to God’s right hand after the resurrection and reigns eternally. Revelation 20:1-10 describes the present reality of the Davidic Kingdom as it is active in heaven and on earth. Do you deny that Christ is currently reigning eternal as King of kings and Lord of Lords? Do you think that He has one kingdom or two? do you think He has a Jewish kingdom and a Gentile one?
19. We CT’ers see all typology come together in Christ and his Church, “his spiritual body” which consists of all believers of all ages. Do you believe that there was typologies that Christ failed to fulfill?
20.The Book of Hebrews and the Gospel of John proves that Jesus is the complete fulfillment of all Messianic typologies and the complete fulfillment of all the OT covenants. Do you agree with the John and the writer of Hebrews? Or do you believe that Christ has failed to take the throne, is not yet glorified, is not yet reigning, and still must come to establish physical kingdom like the zealots always thought the Messiah would?
thomas4881
first you left part of the text out. “of which you say”. God is talking to Jeremiah and repeating what Jeremiah has said. Also this is a repeat of an earlier converstaion between Jeremiah and God in chapter 32. Please read the entire chapter. verse 10 will do much to clear the confusion of verse 12. Chapter 32 to help with chapter 33. Ezra and Nehemiah to help with Jeremiah.
I think I will take noted historians and historcial documentation over the assertions of Mark Twain, the American Punster, about the condition of the Holy Land. I mean, do we take the word of Jay Leno over say the noted and esteemed British Historian David Chandler concerning European History?
Now, history is against you on this as there are too many history books, scholars, documents and high school history teachers to refute Mr Twain and you. Also, the muslims, read their history books. So there is too much documented historical evidence showing Jews were in the Holy Land and Israel between 70-1948 AD.
So, in your opinion when will Jerusalem be total void of human life? Are all the Jews, Arabs and Christians in Jerusalem living on borrowed time? I mean the new round of the return of Christ is about 2018-2028 as per Mike Evans in his book “Beyond Iraq, The Next Move”. If his definition of a generation is correct and we have from 11-21 years, when is the desolation to happen? 2010?
In 2029 are new premil authors going to push the generation back more? We have already left the bibilical definition of 40 years and the US governments of 20 years. We have started using life times. So in my life time it was 1968, no wait 1988, no 1991 (Iraq War #1), no 2000, no we got it 2004, uummm 2018-2028.
I was a premil, but the fallacy of the position is just to glaring to ignore, or is it?
And an odd thought has just hit me.
Thomas4881, are you pulling my leg? Just trying to get a rise out of us. The Mark Twain comment has me thinking that. Well has my wife thinking it. She looked over my shoulder and laughed. She thinks Jason, scott and I are being too serious and you got one over on us.
thomas4881,
If there is to be another temple and sacrifices again, per those who are dispy Premil, why? Why does God find the Sons, ya know the Lamb of God, sacrifice sufficient for only a certain time and then not worthy?
If it is sufficient for all time for believers, why do we need a temple? Again.
Who are the true Levites? If we are to go back to the sacrifical system, how do we determine who is a priest? Most Jews have no idea which tribe their ancestors belonged too, no records.
Maybe they will ask the Mormons? They have a great data base, help my cousin trace our family back to the 1780′s. :^)
I say this tongue in cheek, to get you to think instead of just repeating what others have told you. Come on, Mark Twain? If you want to be taken seriously, use some other approach in your apologia.
Jason -
1). Isarel’s role -
Romans 3:1Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision?
2Great in every respect. First of all, that (A)they were entrusted with the (B)oracles of God.
3What then? If (C)some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it?
4(D)May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found (E)a liar, as it is written,
“(F)THAT YOU MAY BE JUSTIFIED IN YOUR WORDS,
AND PREVAIL WHEN YOU ARE JUDGED.”
One role of Israel is to be entrusted with the oracles of God.
Romans 15:8 For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God’s truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs
One role of Israel was to fulfill the promises of God to the patriarchs.
John 4:22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.
One role of the Jews was to bring forth the messiah, Jesus Christ.
God chose Israel for the role of being entrusted the oracles of God, bring forth the messiah, and to be the head of all kingdoms of the earth when the messiah returns and brings in the millenial kingdom -
Daniel 2:44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. 45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.
“The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy.”
God has chosen Israel to be the role player by which God’s judgement will come on the earth. God has given Israel the role of being the tool by which God will bring in a new heave and new earth.
2). The Church isn’t entrusted with the oracles of God. The church wasen’t set up to bring forth a messiah. The Church wasen’t set up to be a nation on the earth. The Church is the bride of Christ. The Church is God’s body. Israel isn’t God’s body. Israel isn’t the bride of Christ.
3). Israel’s role began with God’s promise to Abraham.
4). Israel’s role will never end. Jesus Christ is the king of Israel. Jesus Christ fulfills the entire Old Testament. Jesus Christ is the son of David who sits on the throne of Israel forever.
5). The role of Israel is based on the promises given to Abraham and David.
6). Your role and your Christian Jewish friends role are the same. You both are in Christ. You both have the same position in Christ. Right now at this time your role is the same. There is no Jew or Gentile in Christ, all is in all.
7). Yes, Romans 11 explains this well. I know many who convert to Judaism aren’t from the same blood line as real jews. But, I would think many in Israel are real physical jews.
Romans 11: 28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
Note, the Jews today in Israel are still, mostly, enemies of the gospel. Same as in the 1st century A.D.
8). Yes, Jews are back in the land that was completely without Jews for a time period. They have rebuilt cities.
9).The purpose of the millenium is for God’s glory. Jesus Christ will sit on the throne in Jerusalem, litterally.
10). Jesus Christ sitting on the throne in the millenium is the fulfillment of God’s promise to Abraham and David. Jesus Christ sitting on the throne is the fulfillment of God’s promise of eternal life to Christians.
11). That kingdom is Jewish. Jesus Christ is of the jews. The bride of Christ, the church, becomes one with Christ. Romans 11 explains this well -
Romans 11:24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
12). Christ said his kingdom isn’t of this world. Today Christ sits as king of heaven and earth. Satan is merely a rebel in God’s kingdom. During the millenium Christ will be here on earth sitting on the throne in Jerusalem. Christ is in full control and for the time being Christ is patient, allowing things to go the way they’er going.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Note, God is waiting to draw in all who God has called. God is patient.
13).
Acts 2:31 31Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ,[a] that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay.
1 Chonicles 22:10 He is the one who will build a house for my Name. He will be my son, and I will be his father. And I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever.’
Note, the Davidic Covenant shown in 1 Chronicles 22:10 says his God will establish Jesus Christ’s throne of his kingdom over Israel forever.
14). The throne Jesus will sit on forever is going to be in Jerusalem, litterally.
John 14:2In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
Note, Jesus takes saints to be with him.
Revelation 19: 11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
17And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small and great.”
19Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
Note, Jesus Christ returns with the saints and cast all the unbelievers off the earth. The only ones left are believers.
15). The temple of solomon wasen’t God’s covenant with David. God promised David his son would sit on the throne forever in Jerusalem. Why? see question 13.
16). Yes I agree. The prophets and apostles are the foundation of the Church and Jesus is the chief corner stone.
17). You’re speaking about the position in Christ. Men and women both have the same position in Christ. Men and women both have different roles to fulfill for God’s glory on earth. The same goes for Israel and the Church.
18). Christ is king of heaven and earth, head over all principalities and powers. As peter stated, God is being patient for a time to fulfill his purposes. The Davidic covenant will be fulfilled with Christ litterally sitting on the throne of the kingdom of Israel in Jerusalem.
19).Christ has fulfilled fulfilled the law, psalms and prophets. God isn’t limited to time and space as we are. The purposes of God are being fulfilled as we speak and one day that will be evident to everyone.
20). Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the law, psalms and prophets. You’re asking that if Christ isn’t litterally sitting on the throne in Jerusalem that he has failed to fulfill the covenant. That isn’t sound heremenutics because the covenant is based on promise. God has promised Christians eternal life. Right now Christians don’t have a new body because the covenant is based on promise. It doesen’t mean God’s failed to fulfill his promise to Christians. God hasen’t failed to fulfill his promise to put the son of David on the throne of the kingdom of Israel forever. That promise is being fulfilled and one day will be evident to all.
yes or no question:
Jason,
Do you believe that Christ came back in 70 A.D.?
If yes than what do you believe is our position as Christians today?
If yes than you must also believe that the tribulation was not world wide but only in the Mid-east under Roman terror. And you also must believe that the trib. was less than 7 yrs. correct?
If no than how do you say there is no gap in the 70 weeks?
Jason are you making up a response?
Scott, just because Israel has 15% arabs in the population doesen’t mean there aren’t real, physical jews there today. It doesen’t mean this is the same israel.
Thomas, I was making a theological assertion, not a geographical one. Sure there are Jewish people in modern day Israel, no one has said otherwise.
Scott, so you guys are looking at these post? Where is Jason?
So is the fide-o team running away from the debate? Guess so!
Some crucial problems exist within Amillenarianism that deny a Jewish understanding of the end times. See Acts 1:6-7. Dispensationalism is true to some extent but has been completely distorted in its current understanding dut to regard to mass conspiracy theories. Did not Jesus say that nations will rise against nations? I would suggest checking out joelstrumpet.com